Isayensi engenamingcele: Ukusebenzisana kwamazwe ngamazwe kwesizukulwane esilandelayo sabacwaningi

I-International Science Council kanye neLungu layo, i-China Association for Science and Technology (SAKA), ngokubambisana no Nature, sethule uchungechunge lwe-podcast olunezingxenye eziyisithupha oluhlola isimo esithuthukayo semisebenzi yocwaningo. Kulolu chungechunge, abacwaningi basekuqaleni namaphakathi baxoxa nososayensi abadala, babelana ngolwazi lokukhula, ukubambisana, nokuqina lapho bebhekene noshintsho olusheshayo.

Esiqeshini sokugcina, intatheli yesayensi Izzie Clarke ukhuluma no USolwazi Yongguan Zhu (Chinese Academy of Sciences, Vice-President for Membership of the ISC) kanye UDkt Charah Watson (Scientific Research Council, Jamaica) mayelana nendlela ososayensi abangasebenzisana ngayo kuzo zonke iziyalo, imikhakha, nemingcele.

Ingxoxo ihlola ukuthi “isayensi engenamingcele” isho ukuthini ngempela - kusukela kusayensi yesakhamuzi nolwazi lwendabuko kuye endimeni yokweluleka, ukuxhumana, nokuphikelela ekwakheni imiphakathi yesayensi yomhlaba wonke. Zombili izihambeli zabelana ngemininingwane yomuntu mayelana nendlela yokudala amathuba, ukunqoba izithiyo, kanye nokukhuthaza ucwaningo olubandakanya yonke imikhakha nemikhakha eyahlukene ukuze kube nekusasa elisimeme.

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Okulotshiweyo

Izzie Clarke: 00:01

Sawubona futhi wamukelekile kule podcast yokugcina, eyethulwa ngokubambisana ne-International Science Council, ngokusekelwa yi-China Association for Science and Technology. Ngiyintatheli yesayensi u-Izzie Clarke.

Kulo lonke lolu chungechunge, sihlole ukuthi ososayensi abasebasha bangakwazi kanjani ukuzulazula ekuthuthukisweni kwemisebenzi ohlelweni lwesayensi oluhlala lushintsha. Futhi, kulesi siqephu sokugcina, sizoxoxa ngekusasa lokubambisana kwesayensi.

Abangijoyinayo nguSolwazi Yongguan Zhu ovela e-Chinese Academy of Sciences. UnguMqondisi-Jikelele Wesikhungo Sokucwaninga Sesayensi Yezemvelo, futhi futhi UyiPhini Likamongameli Wobulungu BoMkhandlu Wezesayensi Wamazwe Ngamazwe.

U-Yongguan Zhu: 00:43

Sawubona. Sawubona.

Izzie Clarke: 00:45

Futhi uDkt Charah Watson, uMqondisi Omkhulu eMkhandlwini Wocwaningo Lwezesayensi eKingston, eJamaica.

UCharah Watson: 00:51

Sawubona Unjani?

Izzie Clarke: 00:52

Kahle kakhulu, ngiyabonga.

Isayensi namuhla isemhlabeni wonke futhi ixhumene kunanini ngaphambili. Ngakho-ke, uma uzwa inkulumo ethi 'isayensi yeqa imingcele', lokho kusho ukuthini komunye nomunye wenu futhi kungani lokho kubalulekile?

Charah, ungathanda ukuqala kuyo?

UCharah Watson: 01:07

Impela. Ngakho-ke, isayensi ngaphandle komngcele isho isayensi ngaphandle kwemikhawulo noma imingcele yendawo yendawo, yesiko - yanoma yini. Ngoba isayensi imayelana namaqiniso. Isayensi imayelana nokuthola amaqiniso akho konke nokuyethula ukuze isetshenziselwe ukuqhubekisela phambili noma yini esizama ukuyithuthukisa.

Kubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi izimiso zesayensi nezindlela zesayensi zigcinwe ukuze noma yini esiyethulayo sithembeke. Futhi ngaphandle kwezithiyo, kuyasiza ukuthuthukisa isici sokwethenjwa sesayensi esiyikhiphayo.

Izzie Clarke: 01:44

Nakanjani. Futhi Yongguan, isho ukuthini 'isayensi yokweqa imingcele' kuwe?

U-Yongguan Zhu: 01:48

Ngicabanga ukuthi kulo mhlaba wembulunga yonke, isayensi iwulimi olujwayelekile. Mhlawumbe yilona lodwa ulimi oluvamile olungahlanganisa abantu beqa imingcele, izilimi kanye nezithiyo zamasiko. Ngakho-ke, into ngempela esihlanganyela ngayo kanye nokuqhubekisela phambili ukuchuma kwabantu ndawonye kulo mzana womhlaba wonke.

Izzie Clarke: 02:15

Futhi ungasho kanjani ukuthi ucwaningo lwesayensi luye lwavela ngale kwamalebhu nezikhungo zezemfundo nanoma yini enye efana naleyo muva nje, i-Yongguan?

U-Yongguan Zhu: 02:28

Ngicabanga ukuthi umphakathi udinga isayensi yoguquko eyengeziwe engasiza ukuguqukela ekubeni nekusasa eliluhlaza kakhulu nelinempilo. Ngakho-ke, isayensi ayihlali nje emphakathini wososayensi. Kodwa kufanele sihumushe esikutholile sibe yizixazululo zezinkinga zomhlaba wangempela, futhi siphinde sifundise umphakathi jikelele ukuthuthukisa umphakathi uwonke, ikakhulukazi endaweni yesayensi yokusimama, ebandakanya ngempela wonke amalungu omphakathi, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi ukuyiphi indawo, ingcebo yakho nempilo, njll.

Izzie Clarke: 03:09

Yebo, sibe nesiqephu sangaphambili lapho esinye sezihambeli zethu sikhulume ngalo mhlaba owodwa, sinekhaya elilodwa. Charah, ucabangani ngalokho?

UCharah Watson: 03:18

Esikubonile kuhambisana nalokhu kugxilwa kwezamabhizinisi, kuyakhuthazwa, kulungile emphakathini wonke, okusho ukuthi ukutholakala nokuthuthukiswa kobuchwepheshe, izixazululo, iningi lazo elizosebenzisa izimiso zesayensi ezingenzeki ngaphakathi kwama-laboratories, ezingenzeki ngaphakathi kwesikhungo sezemfundo. Futhi lokho kungenxa yokuthi sonke sibhekene nomhlaba ndawonye, ​​sonke sibhekene nezinselelo, ngakho-ke abanye bethu bazoqala ukucabanga ngezisombululo. Futhi uma usuqala ukucabanga ngaleyo ndlela, cishe uzothola isayensi yenzeka emphakathini.

Futhi lapha e-Jamaica, ikakhulukazi, sinalokho esikubiza ngokuthi i-National Innovation Awards. Futhi iningi lezicelo zale miklomelo zivela kubantu abangaxhumene nanoma yiluphi uhlobo lwesikhungo, okukhombisa kithi ukuthi abantu basebenzisa izimiso zesayensi eziyisisekelo ukuthola izimpendulo ezindabeni okubhekwana nazo.

Izzie Clarke: 04:19

Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi endikimbeni yalokho, ucabanga ukuthi iliphi iqhaza ocabanga ukuthi isayensi yesakhamuzi kufanele idlale nakwikusasa lesayensi, futhi?

UCharah Watson: 04:29

Okuyisisekelo. Izakhamizi ezijwayelekile azikwazi ukushiywa ngaphandle ngoba esinye sesisekelo sokuqala kithi ngaso sonke isikhathi sibuyekeza okwenzekayo phansi, sithole ukuphawula kwakho. Futhi uzozitholaphi eziningi zalezo? Izakhamizi. Futhi ngiyajabula ukubona ukuthi uma ukhuluma ngemiphakathi yendabuko, imikhuba yendabuko kanye nentuthuko eyenziwe kulezo esizibonayo, kubaluleke kakhulu manje ukuqinisekisa ukuthi uhlanganisa abaphethe ulwazi loMdabu, ukuze bangakwazi ukukhishwa nhlobo.

Izzie Clarke: 05:01

Yongguan?

U-Yongguan Zhu: 05:03

Ngicabanga ukuthi ngokubandakanya izakhamizi kuzosiza ukusabalalisa isayensi. Lokho ukubaluleka kokuqala. Okwesibili, empeleni, ngokuxoxisana nezakhamizi, sikhuthaza abantu abasha ukuthi babe nentshisekelo kwisayensi ukuze sikwazi ukwakha izizukulwane zethu ezizayo zososayensi. Sidinga ukunikezwa okuqhubekayo kwamathalenta. Ngakho-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi isayensi yesakhamuzi nayo ingadlala indima kulokho.

Izzie Clarke: 05:30

Yebo, ngokuphelele.

Futhi Charah, ingabe kukhona imibono eyiphutha noma izinselele mayelana nocwaningo oluhlukahlukene noma lwamazwe ngamazwe ongathanda ukuphonsela inselelo?

UCharah Watson: 05:41

Yebo, iningi lesayensi yocwaningo, noma yiluphi uhlobo lokuhlola, luzodinga indlela ehlukene. Ayikho into eyenzekayo ngokuhlukana. Futhi enye yemibono eyiphutha ukuthi kunzima noma cishe akunakwenzeka ukwenza, akunjalo. Futhi ngizolokotha ngithi yilokhu ebesilokhu sikwenza. Kodwa manje njengoba uhlose futhi unamasu kakhudlwana, futhi uxhuma amachashazi kusukela ekuqaleni kakhulu esikhundleni sokukucabangela phansi komgwaqo, ubheka konke ukuxhumana okuphambanayo.

Ukuxhumana kuhlale kuyinselelo, ikakhulukazi ukuxhumana kwesayensi yinto ojwayele ukuyenza futhi uba ngcono kuyo. Ngoba noma ngiya ezingqungqutheleni zesayensi, okuningi kudlula ekhanda lami ngoba sikhuluma ngamagama athile futhi siphuthelwa lelo thuba lokuxhumana nalo lonke. Sidinga indlela yokusebenzisana ekubhekaneni nezinkinga noma izinselelo futhi sibone ukuhambisana nemikhakha eyahlukene engase ibandakanyeke.

Izzie Clarke: 06:46

Yebo, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kudinga isibindi, akunjalo, ukusho, empeleni, ungakuchaza lokho? Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi uma usebenzisana nabantu ukuxhumana kubaluleke kakhulu.

Futhi u-Yongguan, yimaphi amanye amathuba nezinselelo ezingaba khona, futhi, okufanele abacwaningi bangaphambi kwesikhathi naphakathi nendawo kufanele bakunake uma kuziwa ekusebenzeni kuzo zonke izifundiswa, izimboni, imikhakha yomphakathi noma neminye imiphakathi?

U-Yongguan Zhu: 07:14

Ngicabanga ukuthi kososayensi abasakhula, kufanele bakulungele ukubhekana nobunzima. Kuhlale kunobunzima kodwa akufanele sesabe ubunzima ngoba noma yini esifuna ukuyizuza sihlala sizama ukunqoba izithiyo. Ngakho-ke, ungabesabi ubunzima, phikelela.

Futhi elinye iphuzu ukuthi kufanele sihlale sinake amathuba. Ngisho ne-serendipities emsebenzini wami, ama-serendipities amaningi empeleni aholela ekusebenzisaneni okuphumelelayo. Ngakho-ke, kufanele sibheke amathuba futhi sibambe amathuba okwenza amanethiwekhi. Lokhu kubaluleke kakhulu.

Izzie Clarke: 08:01

Yebo, iseluleko esihle leso.

Ngakho-ke, Charah, kokuhlangenwe nakho kwakho, isiphi isinyathelo esivelele ukuthi ube yingxenye yaleyo mingcele - noma ngabe lokho kunqamula imikhakha, imikhakha noma amazwe ahlukene? Futhi yini ongathi bekungenye yezifundo zakho ezinkulu kulokho okuhlangenwe nakho?

UCharah Watson: 08:19

Ngakho-ke, eMkhandlwini Wocwaningo Lwesayensi, umsebenzi wethu omningi uqondiswe ekusekeleni imboni yezolimo yaseJamaica. Kufanele sixhumane nama-ejensi ahlukene kahulumeni, ozakwethu bamazwe ngamazwe, ezinye izikhungo zocwaningo zamazwe ngamazwe, ngoba lokho okuthola emazweni amancane njenge-Jamaica, nakuba sinamathemba amaningi ocwaningo, asinayo indlela yokwenza yonke imisebenzi ehlukene phakathi kwamaphrojekthi ethu ocwaningo.

Kuyabuya futhi ekuqinisekiseni ukuthi unesu elicacile elikhona endleleni yokuphatha ukuxhumana nokuxhumana. Futhi ngikholwa ukuthi sisesikhathini lapho singakhombisa khona ngokucacile futhi sixhumane nozakwethu. Siyakwazi ukufinyelela uxhaso lwamazwe ngamazwe. Futhi uthola ukuthi amazwe amaningi asathuthuka analokho kukhathazeka. Nakuba kungase kube khona ukufinyelela ekuxhasweni, kukhona ukungahambi kahle kwe-ajenda. Futhi lokho kuza kakhulu ngenxa yokungakhulumisani kahle, ukungazethembi ngokwanele ukuveza izidingo zakho nokuthi ungangena kanjani, esikhundleni sokumane uphendule uthi yebo.

Izzie Clarke: 09:32

Ingabe kukhona okutholile, ikakhulukazi, okukusiza ukuthi uzulazule ngalezo zinhlobo zezimo?

UCharah Watson: 09:39

Yebo. Kuziwa ekwakheni ubudlelwano. Uyaqonda ukuthi umuntu ngamunye, izwe ngalinye uvelaphi ukuze lokho enikuthuthukisayo ndawonye, ​​lokho enikuklamayo ndawonye, ​​kuqondaniswe kakhulu futhi imiphumela ihambisane kakhulu nezinjongo zethu zizonke.

Izzie Clarke: 09:59

Futhi uYongguan, kubacwaningi abasanda kuqala, bangaqala kanjani ukuthola noma ukudala lezo zinhlobo ezintsha zamathuba okusebenzisana?

U-Yongguan Zhu: 10:10

Iseluleko sami kungaba ukuthi ungabi namahloni, ube nomqondo ovulekile. Futhi, futhi, sivame ukusho ukuthi amathuba ngawengqondo ezilungiselelwe, kodwa lokho akwanele. Empeleni, kufanele siphume kakhudlwana ukuze sidale amathuba okuthuthukisa umsebenzi wakho. Bheka amathuba futhi udale amathuba okubambisana.

UCharah Watson: 10:34

Ngivumelana ngokuphelele noYongguan. Ithuba livuna ingqondo elungisiwe nokudala awakho amathuba, uzenzele eyakho iminyango, uze uzivulele wena futhi ubonise abanye ongakwazi ukudlula kubo - futhi uhambe nami - kubalulekile.

Kimina, ngazuza kakhulu kubaluleki abakhulu. Futhi bangikhetha. Futhi kumelwe ukuba kukhona okuthile mayelana nami ukuvuleka, okubonisa ukuthi angizazi izinto eziningi futhi ngifuna ukufunda izinto eziningi. Futhi abeluleki abalungile, abantu abalungile abangakusekela, bazongena ebhodini.

Izzie Clarke: 11:13

Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kubuyela emuva cishe kulokho uYongguan abekusho ngaphambili, futhi - vele ubheke lawo mathuba futhi uwabambe lapho ezenza aziwe.

Ngakho-ke, uma ubheka ikusasa, yini ekujabulisa kakhulu mayelana nokuthi iphokophelephi imisebenzi yesayensi nesayensi?

UCharah Watson: 11:29

Ngakho-ke, okungijabulisayo kubuyela embuzweni wakho wokuqala, okuyisayensi phakathi kwezifundo, imikhakha kanye nesayensi ngaphandle kobulili. Manje, usubamba iqhaza elikhulu kubo bonke ubulili futhi lokho kuyamangaza, ikakhulukazi ukuba umuntu wesifazane nokwazi ukuthi isayensi ikalwa kakhulu ngesisindo sayo kunokuthi ubani okwenzayo nokuthi kwenziwa kuphi.

Izzie Clarke: 11:57

Futhi uma unganikeza ucezu olulodwa lweseluleko kubacwaningi abasebancane nabamaphakathi abanethemba lokulolonga ikusasa lesayensi, bekungaba yini? Charah?

UCharah Watson: 12:07

Yakha ubudlelwano ngaphambi kokubudinga. Lezo ziyiqiniso kakhulu futhi ezihlala isikhathi eside kakhulu. Udinga iqembu. Ngakho-ke, kubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi uzazi ukuthi ungubani, kubalulekile. Bese uphuma wakhe lobo budlelwano ngaphandle kokulindela okuthile, futhi lokho kuzokusekela kunoma yimuphi umsebenzi, noma ngabe isayensi, ibhizinisi, noma yini oyenzayo. Zazi ukuthi ungubani, wazi ukuthi kungani futhi wakhe ubudlelwano ngaphambi kokubudinga.

Izzie Clarke: 12:36

Futhi Yongguan?

U-Yongguan Zhu: 12:37

Yebo. Iseluleko sami kungaba ukuzama ukweqa imingcele evamile yemikhakha yesayensi kulezi zinsuku, ngoba siya ngokuya siba ngokwehlukana kwemikhakha futhi kufanele sandise umbono wethu ngangokunokwenzeka. Kufana nokuqwala intaba - uma uphakama, uzobona isithombe esibanzi. Ngokubona isithombe esikhulu, uzothola amathuba amaningi, izinkinga eziningi ongazilungisa emisebenzini yakho yesikhathi esizayo. Leso iseluleko esincane engingasinikeza. Ngiyabonga.

Izzie Clarke: 13:16

Cha, ngiyabonga. Futhi ngiyabonga nobabili ngokuhlanganyela nami namuhla.

Uma ungumcwaningi wangaphambi kwesikhathi noma omaphakathi futhi ufuna ukwakha ubudlelwano bomsebenzi weqe imingcele, bese ujoyina inkundla ye-International Science Council yososayensi abasafufusa.

Vakashela iwebhusayithi umkhandlu.isayensi/inkundla ukufunda okwengeziwe. Ngingu-Izzie Clarke, ngiyabonga ngokulalela.

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